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#1 automazar
Pot= air pot equivalent to a 3 gallon pot.
#2 automazar
Pot= 12x12 regular pot
#3 fantasmo auto express
Pot= 9x9 regular pot

Light schedule= 20/4

Water schedule= every 48 hours

Nutrients=
Alaskan fish fertilizer
Worm castings
Fox farm big bloom

Light= 250watt hps

Age= 26days

Automazar= I went with these cause iv herd nothing but good about them an that they make a good indoor plant. An there yields can range from a good amount to amount you would have never thought you would get off an auto.they range in all heights depending on eBay you do to it.

Fantasmo autoexpress= more I haven't looked into this auto but I've herd good about it to I the it in there jusT cause it was the free one I got with the purchase of three.

Quick up to date=
First two weeks they weren't looking good at all I was kinda worried they weren't gonna take off.But by week the out the last week an a half they have jumped a pretty good amount.But I feel like they should be Way bigger then what they are.
This its my first time with autos an I didn't really like them tell I saw dp's autos.
Feel free to ask me any questions about the grow or what iv done or used. If you have tips let me know it would be much appreciated ill keep you all updated with pictures. Thank you for reading Ann your views an liked have a good day.

If anybody has any tips on hour to get them top stretch more shoot them to me. Having a problem on the stretch. Thank you

welcome bro, muddy told me about you.
we will try help you with your grow, some autos start slow.
dont give them any nutes for now, just water at PH6.2.
happy growing karma.

Thanks bro I really appreciate the help you offer allot. An ya muddy is A good friend Of mine. But so far im looking theses autos like I said tho in the beginning growing real slow but since the last week They have shown Off to me an have taken off with growing .An nice to meet you bro haHave a good day.

Nice to meet you Autobud... best of luck with the grow, man.
I'm shit with soil grows, but you'll get the best advice here.... with Ledbud's advice, I got 19+oz of 3 autos.

Nice to meet you to bro. N YA dwc an coco is hard I thought about it. An ya his grows are crazy he's cool he's helped me out.

An this still the first time for autos an im loving them so far. An im trying a new thing out that if never done. Lst. I did it to the free girl but so far she's came back real good dident show no weaknesses. First time I'm really loving lst. I'll keep you guys updated I got two ppl I can go to for auto questions. Muddy an ledbud. I appreciate all there help.

I'll post a updated on the three girls soon. I just ripped my three footer out she was getting to big an taking the hole box an all the light. An plus she was bag seed.

But you got some crazy grows to teetee. An I wish 19+ on them I would be happy with that.

Update=
#1= automazar in air pot is doing excellent she's taking off pretty good. She's git a lot of flower sites coming out my only worry is that she's a little behind on the grow so I dint know goes she's gonna come out. Usually by this time there pretty good size from what I've read.So will see how she does I'm giving her first nutrients today for about two weeks then to flower nutrients. If anybody has tips on this girl let me know new to the air pot.

#2= automazar she's in a regular pot way bigger then the air pot she's in a 12x12 pot she took off in the beginning but then slowed down. But I think she might have hit A growth spurt hard to tell at this time but she's looking good no signs of stress or lack of anything. So far she's been ran just with worm castings. At first I thought this was gonna be the beast out of the but the air pot is showing her up right now pretty good.She's got a nice amount of flower sites trying to get light to them so right now I'm just rotating every ten hours. If an tips of this girl to lmk.

#3=fantasmo express doing very very good I did some lst on her about two days go she came bAck for it reAl real good. Good amount of flower sites there still small so I'm trying to get her as big as possible. I'm not sure but she might hAve went into flower can't quit tell right now. But this one is doing the best out of them all an looks the healthiest out of all them. She's running the same as the rest mouthing different beside the lst. First time ever for lst might as well give it a try with the free seed haha. Got any tips on this girl lmk.

Age=29
Thanks for reading have a good day. Feel free to write me or ask any questions on this grow. An if you got any tips it would be much appreciated. Have a good day.

nice green healthy looking girls Bro.
looking good!

Thanks bro I woke up today an it was like they took some steroids when they where asleep. All natural nutrients as of right now.

Here's an article about defoliation - when and if to trim..... hope it's of use Bro!

Defoliation- Source vs. Sink:

First of all, you will need to understand the concept of Source vs. Sink within a plant. Pretty self explanatory, a source is any part of the plant that generates more photosynthate (sugar) than it requires for growth, and a sink is any part of the plant that requires more photosynthate than it can produce (or is producing). What is key to understand with this is that a plant tissue can change from sink, to source, and back to sink all as part of the plants natural process. For example, a newly forming leaf (fan leaf or bud leaf) is always going to be a sink, requiring more sugar to grow than it is currently producing from photosynthesis. . . but once that leaf has reached close to its mature size, it is producing much more sugar than it requires because it is hardly growing at that point. . . .and then again as that leaf becomes older and cells start to get older, the chlorophyll will actually lose effeciency and although the leaf may still look green and healthy, it is no longer generating more photosynthate than it requires to stay alive, and therefore older leaves become sinks again!

There are also parts of the plant which will almost always be sinks. Those are things like the roots (obviously no way of producing photosynthate, but still require it), the flowers on most plants because most flowers contain very little to no chlorophyll compared to a leaf, and seeds are always going to be sinks (the strongest sink).

The important reason I am explaining the Source vs. Sink relationship is because when you have too many sinks and not enough sources, your yield goes down and the overall vigor of your plant is reduced. So to maximize yield and sugar content in the final product (the buds), growers should try to eliminate other sinks as much as possible, while maintaining as many strong sources as they can without risking poor airflow or reduced efficiency with too much shading.

Keeping all this in mind, you can guess that a leaf which is receiving less light (heavily shaded) is most likely going to be functioning as a sink in the plant, drawing sugar away from other sinks that you may be more concerned about such as the buds. Removing leaves above the shaded leaf may give it more light, and maybe enough to start generating more sugar than it needs, but the lower down the leaf, the sooner it will be past its highest efficiency and the closer it is to becoming a sink permanently because of photosynthetic efficiency loss. Therefore, I tend to remove older fan leaves (less efficient) first before I go removing mature newer leaves higher up on the stems because they are more efficient.

Now, once you have removed any leaves that are past their prime, you may still have some fan leaves shading other bud sites, which in cannabis do produce their own smaller bud leaves. The larger fan leaves are MUCH more efficient at producing photosynthate than the smaller bud leaves, and because they tend to be more exposed to air flow they will also transpire more, meaning they help more water and nutrients move through the plant compared to bud leaves which have much less surface area and transpire/photosynthesize much less. So, that means it is better to keep large fan leaves, even if they are shading a bud site or two, because they will function as a source for the bud site (sink) and send its excess sugar to the bud. If you remove the fan leaf, the bud is already functioning as a sink, and so will have to get the rest of the sugar it needs from a different fan leaf on the plant (different source required), meaning a different sink is now getting less than it was because it is sharing its sugar supply from its own fan leaf. . . . this kind of sharing and relocating of sugar pathways takes extra energy in itself, and is not beneficial even if the bud site is no longer being shaded and can produce slightly more sugar on its own from the small bud leaves.

In conclusion, remove old fan leaves especially if they are no longer receiving any direct light. Try to maintain as many sources on the plant as possible by getting as much light and air flow to the newer mature fan leaves as possible. Remove any very low sinks that are far away from any strong sources because they will generate almost no photosynthate on their own, along with drawing photosynthate away from other sinks that are more local to the source leaves higher on the plant. And don't worry if your bud leaves are shaded, because they are sinks anyways, so the plant is pumping all the excess sugar from local fan leaves to the nearest/strongest sinks it can find (your buds)!!