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Thanks for joining me on another grow.... number 19

I've got loads of old seeds knocking around, so I thought I should dig deep and use some of my older beans before they get past it.

Dutch Passion Tony sent me a few freebies way back, so this is what I've chosen...

Night Queen - I'm obsessed with this strain, a good strong Indica that hits the spot every time.

Cinderella Jack - another very strong smoke with 25% plus THC levels

Think DIfferent - the classic old School Dutch Passion special that everyone loves!

Daiquiri Lime - great tasting bud with huge harvest potential

All Autos, the Night Queen is from a batch I received in May 2018, the Cinderella Jack is from July 2017, the Daiquiri Lime is from April 2016... over 4 years old, but the Think Different is from September 2014... nearly 6 years old!!!

I planted each seed in a Solo cup full of Coco soaked in EC 0.7 House and Garden nutrient, covered them in cling film (for humidity) and left them in the tent (to keep warm) with some cardboard on top (to keep the light out).

This method works 100% and after 2½ to 3 days, they all popped through....
(day 1)

My last 2 grows have not been up to my usual standards, the main reason being my inability to repot them in time.

This time I was better prepared, I had my Coco ready, and I waited until I only had 2 plants left from my previous grow before I sowed this new lot, so I had enough room for them all, and enough 25L airpots available to use.

I repotted them on day 10, perfect timing...
(before)

CJ

DL

NQ

TD

They took to their new homes quickly and by day 21 they had grown considerably....
clockwise from top left... TD, DL, NQ, CJ

Day 29 and they had really filled out...
clockwise from top left... TD, DL, NQ, CJ

The Night Queen was huge, and the Cinderella Jack and Think Different were not far behind. They were all very leafy, so I thought it was time to consider removing some of the larger fan leaves that were preventing light getting to the new shoots underneath. Some of the lower fans on the Night Queen were massive... 6 inches long, 2 inches wide!

So here they are again, yesterday on day 32....
clockwise from top left... TD, DL, NQ, CJ

Lots of tops showing through. I think they're a good size for just a month old. The NQ is 55cm high, TD is 47cm, CJ is 45cm and the DL 38cm.
I find taking fan leaves off the main stem slows the main stem height and allows the side stems to catch up, giving a more even canopy and good long candy canes all round.

Currently they are on an EC 0.9 feed, giving me a run off of between EC 0.6 and 0.7.
I'm seeing pale green tips on the new leaves and they've all started flowering.

I'm planning on increasing the Nitrogen a touch, just to keep ahead of any underfeeding issues, but I don't wanna push it. The TD is traditionally a light feeder, and the Night Queen doesn't like going too hot either, so I may have to start making up 2 different nute mixes.

House and Garden A&B nutes are used together for the whole grow, so I don't have to switch from Veg to Bloom nutes. Instead I just drop the Nitrogen and add Bud XL and Bud Candy instead, giving PK13/14 for a week starting around day 57 (week 9), aiming for harvests around the 80-90 day mark.

TD and NQ are advertised as 70 day finishers, CJ is 70-77 days and the DL 77 days.

Here they are individually on day 33....
Think Different

Night Queen

Daiquiri Lime

Cinderella Jack

They each have a Skyline 400 LED unit above them, on 24 hours a day. Thanks again you Muddy at LED Hydroponic!

I've been religiously feeding them every 2 days, but starting to do them every day now.

Temps are between 21°C and 25°C and humidity fluctuates between 50-80% depending on whether it's raining or not. Great growing weather!

So there you go, at the moment everything's looking good, but this is usually the stage when the plants get a bit fussy, so I might even give them a flush for a couple of days and push on to the finish.

I hope you'll be there to see how it all ends up. Thanks for looking in, and keep safe!

Lots has happened with them since the initial post where I showed you them upto day 32... they are on day 50 now, and the tent's at full capacity....
clockwise from top left: TD, DL (hidden by the enormous...) NQ, CJ

I decided to play musical chairs and move them all one place clockwise.....
clockwise from top left: CJ (hidden), TD, DL, NQ

The main reason for all this arseing around was height... the enormous NQ was near the carbon filter, and the lights were at max level.

Moving them allowed me to have a Skyline 400 light straddling the filter at a comfortable height for the shorter Daiquiri Lime, and I could make use of the mighty Skyline 800 for the NQ ... once again, thanks to Muddy at LED Hydroponics for this superb light.... last time I used it, I pulled 18.5 (dry) ounces of Blue Amnesia.

Here's all my lighting, crammed up into a 1.2m² x 1.2m² wide space!

The Skyline range is great, you can have one unit over each plant and have the flexibility to arrange them at different heights...

Let's have a closer look at that Night Queen....

So, another Teehee monster - I'm just surprised it's a Night Queen... usually the NQ is mid sized and finishes quickly.

This one's not like any NQ I've ever done before, so I had a look in Seedfinder, and they do mention a second phenotype that is very tall and takes longer to flower... this must be it!

I haven't done much with her, just a bit of leaf removal lower down, so here she is in her new position under the 800W Skyline...

Before I moved her, I took a shot without lighting just to show you what I'm dealing with....

She's on an EC 0.8 feed, and as you can see from the main stem, she's got a long way to go...

Think Different is looking great. By far the most advanced of all...

That was before the move, here she is in her new spot....

Much the same except a little light trimming of lower leaves, and any poxy internal stems that won't get much light.

She's also on an EC 0.8 feed, but she's got 5 days of PK 13/14 going in as well.

From the side window you can see more of her......

Lights off gives you a better appreciation of how full of bud she is....

Not bad for day 50. She tends to be a quick finisher, and this one's in a hurry to get it done. Dutch Passion say 70 days.

Whenever she's ready, I'm looking forward to consuming her... she's got plenty of grease on them leaves for making Canna Coconut oil, and those buds are gonna fatten up and smoke real good!

Daiquiri Lime is a bit smaller than the beasts I'd previously grown a few years ago. This one's like the one I did in my last grow, short with very dense foliage.....

I removed loads of leaves to reveal the multitude of tops hiding underneath....

....and although she looked a little worse for wear afterwards....

... she soon picked up and she's hopefully going to stretch a bit more and load up....

She's on an EC 0.9 feed, same as the Cinderella Jack......

..... another short and leafy plant.

I've given her a bit of an internal thin out.....

... and moved her behind the Night Queen, out of sight.....

There you are then, quite a long post, but it's been a while.

Hope you're riding the second wave - stay safe, stay stoned!

Nice see you back on the jungle grow again bro.
Girls looks lovely.
How are you bro.

Nice see you back on the jungle grow again bro.
Girls looks lovely.
How are you bro.

ledbud wrote:Nice see you back on the jungle grow again bro.
Girls looks lovely.
How are you bro.

Not doing too bad mate, keeping ourselves to ourselves.
It's much harder growing here compared to my last location, but I think I'm dialling it in again.
As you say, it's another Teetee jungle and it's filling up with bud!!!

It's day 58, so here's a quick update...

The Night Queen is a MONSTER!

134cm high and 75 x 70cm wide.

From above you can see how much bulk there is to her....

She's full of long stems all filling out with bud!

Under normal circumstances, I'd stake her out and she's probably fill a tent on her own! Luckily she's stretched so nicely there's plently of room for light and air circulation in her depths.

Think Different is really filling out...

Her buds are thick with trichomes....

Daiquiri Lime is slowly packing on some weight...

I gave her a good thinning out a couple of weeks ago, and she's got really dense again.... much like the Cinderella Jack....

The DL and CJ are both at the same stage, both short and very leafy... I may have to take them out and thin them out a bit more. Again, I'd normally stake them out but I just don't have the space.... Maybe when the Think Different's done, they'll have some space for a stretch out.

I'm being very good, I'm feeding them daily without fail, the TD and NQ have separate EC 0.8 feeds, and the CJ and DL are on the same EC 0.9 mix.... 3 separate feeds instead of winging it with one feed for all.

Also I've rigged up a couple of internal air circulation fans, something I've not used in my last 2 grows here in my new gaff.

I've also sorted out the high humidity and have a pipe running off a dehumidifier into my air intake giving me a much better 58% RH instead of the 75-90% I was getting before. Just in time for the final push to the finish!

Thanks for looking in, hope you're masking up!

Day 64 update

Thanks for popping down under for a look at how things are going.
It's Winter here, so daytime temps are 18-25°C, dropping to 8-12°C at night. Not much rain now, so humidity is 50-60%.
My lights are on 24/7, so it's 20-26°C in the tent, and I'm managing to maintain 40-60% humidity.

The grow is progressing well, all of them are in varying states of bloom.

Having 4 different strains has meant I've had to be more careful about tending to their individual needs - they are all very different....
clockwise from bottom left... (the enormous) Night Queen, (hiding the) Cinderella Jack, Think Different, and Daiquiri Lime

Star of the show this time is the BEAST of a Night Queen...

You can see how she towers over the lights for the other plants. She's like a regular plant with these long candy canes shooting out of her.
There's not much room till they hit the lights, which are at maximum height...

She's filling out with some nice sparkly bud.....

I'm giving her the same EC 0.9 feed as Think Different.... the usual House and Garden nutes, with Roots Excellurator, Bud XL, and (Advanced Nutrients) Bud Candy.

Think Different is nearly done - maybe 7-10 days at the most.....

She's got plenty of really solid colas.....

Here's a close up or two....


Daiquiri Lime next...

She didn't stretch very much, but there's plenty of action under all that foliage....

.... and close up, she's looking sweet....

Finally Cinderella Jack, squeezed in at the back behind the Night Queen....

Nothing remarkable, but up close she's certainly on the right track.....

As the Daiquiri Lime and Cinderella Jack are so similar in terms of structure and development, it's easy to give them the same feed.
Right now, they are on their 3rd of 5 days of PK 13/14 in an EC 0.9 feed. I'll start giving the Night Queen the PK in 5-6 days time.

So... all looking good, TD will be down in less than 2 weeks. CJ and DL will be another 3-4 weeks from now, and the Night Queen 4-5 weeks.

Of course, nothing ever goes to plan, and in true Teehee style, this grow is no different....

I've got a fucking...

LANDLORD INSPECTION IN 2½ WEEKS

... which is gonna mean taking down the entire tent, wrapping the plants and hiding them, plus a load of freshly cut Think Different somewhere for a few hours.

We only got a week's notice, but I managed to get a 2 week extension, and she expects to only spend 15-20 mins here and keep it casual.

I'll let you know how it goes.

saw your monster night queen. Great grow bro.

ledbud wrote:saw your monster night queen. Great grow bro.

Cheers Man, here's the final few posts.....

Day 85

OK, so I managed to hide the grow from the Rental Agency inspection.... Tuesday night, I set the alarm for 4am (Weds), and set about clearing up the grow room. I had been to the Storage place and got some packing boxes. They have these large 'Porta-Robe' boxes that are perfect for hiding plants in... they're 60cm x 48cm wide and a good 1.10m high....

...and here's Cinderella Jack, all safe and sound.....

Imagine if Interflora could deliver plants like this!

The Night Queen wasn't as simple. I lowered her into a standard packing box, wrapped a load of corrugated card around her to full height, and then plonked another packing box on top. In the end, I had her encased in cardboard, about the size of a fridge, and only just managed to squeeze her into the shed, along with the CJ and DL in the Porta robes, and a box of drying Think Different buds.... all of which stank to high heaven.

On Weds morning, the Electrician came over to check the smoke alarms, then at 1pm the Managing Agent turned up, spent half an hour chatting with the Missus RIGHT OUTSIDE THE SHED, and once she'd gone, I had the whole grow room set up again in a couple of hours.

They are all very close to finishing.

Cinderella Jack will probably come down in the next few days. This is how she looked immediately after I got her out of the box.....

She's pushed for space in the tent, but she's loaded with big fat colas.....

Although she's very leafy, there's some nice sticky bud in all of that....

Daiquiri Lime also fared well during the disruption. Here she is straight out of the box....

She's also been squeezed into the tent, but has a bit of room on the side....

Still a week or so to go.....

Last but not least, the Night Queen, here she is in all her glory...

She's very close to harvest....

Looks like I'll have to sharpen my clippers and get ready for a few late nights this week!

So now that Think Different's down, with the others soon to follow, and having just recovered from an inspection, my mind turns to my next grow.

I'm sick of having to pull everything down mid grow, so seeing that the next inspection will be in 3 months, I sowed some more seeds last weekend, so that they'd be ready before the next intrusion.

As you can see, Dutch Passion 'Night Queen' (as always), Dinafem's 'Blue Amnesia' (also a big fav of mine), then there's Sweet Seeds 'Cream Mandarine XL' and the unlabelled one is Dinafem's 'Cookie'.

As always, there's some sort of ganja related cock up, this time, I got mixed up sowing my seeds, and like an idiot, I put 2 seeds in one pot, and none in another.

I had a feeling I might have done this, so when the NQ, CM and BA had come through, but the 4th cup remained empty, I had a dig around and couldn't find the seed, so I planted another Cookie.

The next day, when a 2nd seedling popped out in the Blue Amnesia cup.... I pulled it out and replanted it in another cup, and it took root.

So now I have 5 seedlings, BA, NQ, CM and 2 Cookies.... and not enough room in the tent to do them all to their full potential.

Because of this stoney balls up, I'm not sure if the BA is actually a BA or if it's a Cookie.... I'll just have to wait and see.

To finish this post, some pests.... For the last 4-5 weeks, I've noticed these tiny little black flies in the tent, on the floor, and around the pots, and when I water the plants, all these bugs come out of the Coco. I put a few sticky traps about, and wiped the pots with some fly spray, but they're still hanging around. I don't see any on the plants themselves, nor under the leaves.

Basically I have a Fungus Gnat problem, also called Sciarid flies, so I got some TaNLiN drops to treat it.

These drops are allegedly harmless to our belioved Cannabis plants, the product is a suspension of bacteria that the gnats feed on and they die.

Fungus gnats feed on dead organic material in the presence of moisture, so dead roots, old leaves etc are their main target, but if they run out, they eat the root hairs on the plants, and cause yellowing of the leaves.

Luckily I've not seen too much damage, the CJ and DL have no yellowing, but the Night Queen had a few yellow leaves down below.

Thinking back, I think I've had this problem before, so I have to deal with this NOW.

They are absolutely TINY....


These shots are in the pots for the new seedlings, and I'm pissed off because the gnats will damage them and ruin the grow, but the TaNLiN drops are gentle enough to work on these too.

I have to add Tanlin to the feed and drench them every 3 days until they're gone, then use Tanlin just weekly to keep them away. The reviews on the product suggest this stuff works pretty well, so I'll keep you posted.

Hope all is well your way, more soon!

Man, my hands are aching from all this cropping lark!

Last post I was on the verge of taking them all down, well now they are all finally done!

I started on 4th Sept (day 90) and took the Cinderella Jack out of the tent for her final photo call.....


In the past, to hide plants, I wrapped them in plastic, but on unwrapping them, they were alarmingly humid inside... they were sweating!
I used boxes this time to help absorb any mosture from respiration, and i had the ability to douse the outsides of the boxes with orange oil to help hide the stink.
I'm hoping these trichs are loaded with THC....

She was made up of stubby fat colas....

... and a tub of loose stems, again with fairly chunky buds.....

2 days of chopping and I had her hanging in 2 boxes for 2 weeks, now she's jarred up with some Boveda 62's....

202.4g or 7.14 ounces, and I'm very happy with that. The bud's well sticky and I'm looking forward to seeing what she's like to smoke.

That left the Daiquiri Lime on day 90...

..... which was still throwing out tons of white pistils, and a bit of foxtailing.....ready to chop!

The Night Queen was also begging for the chop. I had one 800W Skyline above her, plus a 400W going at an angle on the right, to get those buds lower down.....

..... I think it was worth the extra light cos she's thick with solid bud!

Higher up, you can see the colas beginning to bow over with the weight!!!

I think the Night Queen deserves a post of her own.....

....so here she is. The Night Queen (Automatic) on day 92.....

The height of that door is 2.05m.... she is just immense!!!

From another angle.....

Her right side.....

.... and her left side....

I tried to get a shot from above....

.... a view of her bottom half....

... and look at those colas... rock solid every one of them....

... a little closer and you can see these big long colas full of hard uniform nugs.....

It took me 4 days to get her down, those long stems were a pleasure to trim up. I had them hanging to dry in a variety of boxes for a good 2 weeks, then box by box I clipped the buds off and set up for the big weigh in.

This is a shot of the dried stems of the main colas (ie just the top part of the plant)... each one is about 45cm long...

Closer inspection shows that it's all sticky and hard...

... with plenty of amber trichomes to get me hammered....

Once I removed the buds from the stems, just this lot weighed 287g... dry.

The rest of the plant came in at 303g.... meaning this Automatic Night Queen yielded 590g (thats 20.8 ounces) of top quality bud!

20.8 ounces from an Auto???? Yes it's true!

This Night Queen has been a true blessing, the test smokes give me the usual blurry eyesight and empty lethargy that I love so much, and it should last well into next year!


A big THANK YOU to Muddy at LED hydroponics.... the Skylines are the business!!!
Of course, I also have to thank Dutch Passion Tony for the magic bean!