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Re: Hoping to learn from experienced growers

PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:15 pm
by Newgrow420
ledbud wrote:They are very nice for day 11 mate, keep up the good work and just ask if you need help.
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Thanks mate!

Spent some time today nailing the feed tips you and tee tee gave me and they have been ordered so were

now just watching and waiting.

Im going to use a mix of H&G / Canna / Advanced nutrients after listening to you guys.

Canna: Veg and Flores

Advanced nutes: Big Bud / Over drive

H&G: Multizyme, PK 13/14, Roots Excellurator

Do you use the recommended quantities that canna suggest ledbud? I want to be mindful of using a rich soil. I was thinking maybe 1/2 to 3/4 what the recommended for auto?

Also Teetee, when you said: "You MUST reduce the base nutrient amount to keep the final EC of the feed at the same level"

Im going to use the same pk 13/14 you do by H&G, but what does base nutrient refer to? I have the essentials EC meter, so i

think it will be decent enough for my small grow. The pH pen i have by them is really good, its digital, so one less thing for

me to fuck up :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

What are your guys thoughts on molasses? I have scheduled in to add 1/4 tbsp per l of water from the 2nd week of flower,

before the flush in the final week. I'm thinking maybe 1 with 3 without. ( discounting the mutant right now )

Good idea? or bad idea? Not sure if its overkill with already aiding bud growth artificially??? maybe try it on one? the mutant?

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I decided to switch the extra clip fan off as humidity wasn't as desirable as i would have liked for veg and they perked up

even more.

I haven't been able to source a time lapse for this grow but i will be investing in a go pro hero soon which, at the

end of a grow can be uploaded and watched by everyone on youtube.



Unrelated, but... This is awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ferZnZ0_rSM


Stay blessed LEDDers

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Re: Hoping to learn from experienced growers

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:29 am
by teetee
When I say Base Nutrient, I mean the A and B bit.... I dunno the Canna brand, but I imagine Canna Vega is your base nutrient.

With my H&G stuff, I start witrh my 'base' water, add 0.2ml/L Cal Mag to act as a pH buffer, and also to get that precious Calcium and Magnesium in.
Then I add my Base nutes.... with H&G they say don't mix them in concentrate, so basically I divide my Calmag-gged base water into 2 buckets, and add component A to one, and component B to the other bucket.

Then I mix the 2.... in other words Ive diluted my A and B before mixing them together.

Then I add my Roots excellurator, multizyme etc then I check the EC and adjust my pH.

When I am using PK 13/14, I will reduce the amount of A and B at the beginning, to allow room for the PK, without pushing up the EC.
You get me? Once you are feeding them and checking the EC of your feed, you'll find the sweet spot, the EC that is best tolerated by the plant.
Keep track of that EC number, and make sure the total EC of the subsequent feeds is the same EC regardless of what you're adding. If you increase an additive or add one, you will push up the EC, so you have to compensate by reducing the amounts of other additives. As I wanna keep the levels of certain additives like Roots Excel and Multizyme at the same everytime, its only the A and B you can reduce to fit in the extra PK.

Man Im stoned so sorry for the ramble there, but you get the idea!
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WIth Molasses, use Organic Black Strap.
Dissolve a good few (5-6) tbs in a litre of warm water, keep it in a bottle, and use that to add to your feed, rather than adding it straight.
I used to add 1-2ml/L in bloom, but switched to Advanced Nutrients 'Bud Candy' - does the same job!
The buds needs sugars stored in the leaves, so why not add more! They'll take it if they need it!
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Re: Hoping to learn from experienced growers

PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:49 pm
by Newgrow420
teetee wrote:When I say Base Nutrient, I mean the A and B bit.... I dunno the Canna brand, but I imagine Canna Vega is your base nutrient.

With my H&G stuff, I start witrh my 'base' water, add 0.2ml/L Cal Mag to act as a pH buffer, and also to get that precious Calcium and Magnesium in.
Then I add my Base nutes.... with H&G they say don't mix them in concentrate, so basically I divide my Calmag-gged base water into 2 buckets, and add component A to one, and component B to the other bucket.

Then I mix the 2.... in other words Ive diluted my A and B before mixing them together.

Then I add my Roots excellurator, multizyme etc then I check the EC and adjust my pH.

When I am using PK 13/14, I will reduce the amount of A and B at the beginning, to allow room for the PK, without pushing up the EC.
You get me? Once you are feeding them and checking the EC of your feed, you'll find the sweet spot, the EC that is best tolerated by the plant.
Keep track of that EC number, and make sure the total EC of the subsequent feeds is the same EC regardless of what you're adding. If you increase an additive or add one, you will push up the EC, so you have to compensate by reducing the amounts of other additives. As I wanna keep the levels of certain additives like Roots Excel and Multizyme at the same everytime, its only the A and B you can reduce to fit in the extra PK.

Man Im stoned so sorry for the ramble there, but you get the idea!
:grin:::::

WIth Molasses, use Organic Black Strap.
Dissolve a good few (5-6) tbs in a litre of warm water, keep it in a bottle, and use that to add to your feed, rather than adding it straight.
I used to add 1-2ml/L in bloom, but switched to Advanced Nutrients 'Bud Candy' - does the same job!
The buds needs sugars stored in the leaves, so why not add more! They'll take it if they need it!
:grin:::::



WOW, teetee your like the oracle :lol: :lol: :lol:

Firstly, thank you so much for taking your 'high time' out and posting that for me. I really appreciate it.

:grin:

And yeah, i followed every single word so great explanation, thumbs up from me. I think you're right Canna Vega and Canna

Flores will be my base nutes, which i'm so glad you pointed out because if it didnt state on the product,

i surely would have mixed the concentrate into the same water.

I have stumbled upon some info though that may make life easier this time around. I have heard that using Big Bud by

Advanced Nutes is pretty much the same thing as PK 13/14.

My source is incredibly reliable, so I have decided this time around not to use it… Even though it has already been delivered

and paid for, but that means nothing when you run the risk of killing your babies.

I went with the H&G one by the way. For the most part, i just want to get familiar with the

feel of feeding and gaging how happy the plants are. Before now i had never even used a pH pen… and I didn’t know wtf EC

was till a few weeks ago, so I did’t want to be cocky before i could read the plant and react.

In regards to your logic Teetee it makes total sense to make room for the PK 13/14 by reducing the bases. I really didn't

have a clue.

I do have a list of recommended EC ranges that i will aim to stick to for: Veg / Flower / Late flower but i will use these

as a guide and not gospel, like you say find the happy medium myself.

I also added a few things to the spreadsheet like: age / height / width / strain / feed amount so i have an actual

living breathing way to measure their progress. This starts from day 10. Then as time goes on see if i can determine a trend

through practice.

I have gone with the essentials digital EC meter. I have the pH pen by them and it's worked so far so i just stuck with the

brand.

As for the molasses, thank you very much again... before i started looking at growing, i didn't even know wtf molasses

were :lol: :lol: :lol: So i am glad you have given me a method for using those as well, some definite good karma coming

your way.

Bud candy was recommended to me when i was looking at the nutes but the dude in the grow shop said molasses do the same thing in a natural way, and are probably safer as a first time.

Really I just checked in to give an update and let you know what's going on with things. I've still got over a week to start feed

so it's all good.

I am really really busy over the next couple of weeks so please bare with me on here, but i will be posting key photos or bits of

info i learn/gather i just cant say i will be posting as regularly, or as detailed.


Peace for now! :grin::::: :grin::::: :grin::::: :grin::::: :grin:::::

Re: Hoping to learn from experienced growers

PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:50 am
by teetee
Always glad to be of help, there used to be a grower on here called Autoberry who was like a Professor of Cannabis.... he was my Sensimilla Sensei! :ugeek: Everything I've learned about growing Cannabis has come from Autoberry and Ledbud.
Autoberry for the theory, and Ledbud for the practical side of things.... it was Ledbud's monster Automazar that grabbed me..... at the time, LEDs were new, people took the piss and Autos were only yielding 1-3 ounces.... then he popped up with that BEAST and proved them all wrong! :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

Advanced have their own way of doing things, Big Bud is NPK 0-1-3, and is used from week 2 bloom to 3 weeks before harvest, when they suggest switching to Overdrive (NPK 1-5-4).
This follows the general consensus of opinion :-P that the plants need higher levels of K early on in bloom, then as they mature, they need higher levels of P as well as a good level of K.

H&G, Canna and a few other brands do things slightly differently.... they suggest a really high dose of P and K just for a short period (3-4 days) first, to stimulate the plant into producing more flowers. Once that stimulus is applied and you've stopped giving the PK 13/14, the plant will take the extra P and K that it needs for mid bloom from the Base Butes (Canna Flores), then, 3 weeks before harvest there's the option to use a late bloom booster like H&G's Top Shooter (NPK 0-20-9) or Advanced's Overdrive.

Don't forget that with Advanced, a lot of their stuff is given at 2ml/L, effectively doubling the NPK, so 2ml of Big Bud gives you an available NPK of 0-2-6. :geek:
Same for the Overdrive, which at 2ml/L gives an NPK of 2-10-8. :geek:
H&G usually go for 1ml/L, but Top Shooter is given at 0.5ml/L for the first week it's used (giving an NPK of 0-10-4.5 .... similar to Overdrive with high P levels), but then increased to 1ml/L for the final 2 weeks to really make those fat colas! :geek:

So Big Bud is rightly sold as PK booster, but it's not PK 13/14.
It's used for the whole of mid Bloom, rather than just for a short period.... slow and steady boosting rather than a hard hit.

Either use PK13/14 , then Overdrive later, or use Big Bud, then Overdrive later.... then after a few grows, you could use PK 13/14 first, then Big Bud, then Overdrive.... but watch out!!!

....you'll need a chainsaw come harvest time! :lol:
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Re: Hoping to learn from experienced growers

PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:38 am
by Newgrow420
hahahah sensimelia sensei i like it!! I think you are taking Autoberrys position young grasshopper :lol: :lol: :lol: We will need to think of a growguru name for you too.What a pioneer though right?! If not for Autoberry, he wouldn't have helped you out, and i wouldn't have started growing and we wouldn't be here right now. The universe works in incredible ways!One thing i love about weed is that it brings so many people from different ends of the earth together and it can cure an old person or a baby. Just amazing... sorry went off on a tangent...

It was really easy to get my head around what you were saying, well explained again. I now understand what these are and why/what they're used for. It makes it a lot less daunting going into week 3 knowing what i'm doing. It looks like, from your explanation that it is different ways to do the same thing. Although i do think staying away from the PK 13/14 for THIS grow is right, because i have no practical experience or skills. Maybe if the growth was too vigorous i would just be out of my depth :lol: :lol: but sounds like a nice problem to have.

For the next grow I will do that on a couple of the ladies and see what the difference is, not just yield but quality of the smoke/concentrate as well. I am really interested in seeing how plants will perform with/without nutrients and how an organic grow differs from non organic. What have you found yourself teetee/ledbud? Does the gradual increase in pk 13/14 work better for you? or do you prefer the one hit styleee?

So, just to reiterate, this time around i will use big bud and then overdrive for flowering and use these as my building blocks in adding different elements of feed around them. One other thing i did want to ask was the use of multizyme by H&G.

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As you can see on the photo, it specifically states to use it "from the start of week 3 until the end of week 5 in the rearing cycle"... Start of week 3 is fine... but end of week 5?

Are they saying use it for two weeks... or until the end of the cycle of whatever plant you are growing FROM week 3? I hope my question is clear... theres probably people have a right ol' chuckle to my nooby questions, but we gotta start somewhere i guess :lol: :lol:

Thanks in advance

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Re: Hoping to learn from experienced growers

PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:32 pm
by teetee
Cheers Bro, in this neck of the woods, there are 'dispensaries' where you can go, get diagnosed and get the specific oil for your condition.... some even do it for free???
I personally know many people who benefit from their oils, so it's about time they fucking legalise it!
But they wont. :x

With your Multizyme, I can only assume Rearing cycle means when you're making a product I've never heard the term used in relation to plants, but I reckon it means 'Bloom' and I can only come up with this logic......
When animals rear, they're making babies, so maybe with Cannabis, we're making fruits (aka buds)?
The only way I can support that, is by looking on their website, and they say use throughout the grow, that's what I do.... and I usually start around week 2-3, depending on how big they're getting....
I want the roots to be reasonably well established before I use it and I use it right to the end..... It's meant to mop up dead root matter and convert it to uptakable nutrient, so it makes sense to start it when the roots are established, and up to the end, because the roots are working at their hardest by then.

Here's a link to the H&G info page on Multizyme.....
http://house-garden.com.au/product/stim ... multizyme/

Gotta run, big night of football starts now...

11.30pm Arse vs Spurs
2am Man City vs Bournemouth and all the other games, and finally
4.30am The Hammers will hopefully do the Geordies.

BTW that Anderson Paak was good stuff, I only heard him on that Mac Miller track, but this is much more like it. He's done a couple of the festivals over here over the Summer, wish I'd gone now!

Re: Hoping to learn from experienced growers

PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:50 pm
by Newgrow420
Managed to squeeze myself in some free time so i thought i would do a quick post. The girls have been flying so far, they have just hit day 15/16 from sprout. As far as things go they have been undemanding and just cracking on. Even the mutant is progressing strong. I guess this is down to getting most of their nutrition from the soil, which i am thankful for doing now especially as it took me a while to work out some kind of feeding plan. Here they are about 24 hours after being watered, they all seem happy in their own right… atleast, i can’t see any hiccups yet.

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Heres the largest, she’s standing about 15cm high and 35cm wide at her farthest tips.

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Heres whats going on under the canopy.

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The next girl was the second smallest of the lot but is slowly catching up and looks really healthy too. She is around 12cm high and 30cm wide.

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I was concerned about this one as the leaves seemed droopy. But i don’t know if thats typical of the pheno because she’s still growing at a good rate and her leaves / structure look ok. She is around 13cm high and 28cm wide

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Here… as you may have already seen, we have had our first casualty. I rotate the pots 1/4 turn clockwise every 24 hours, an idea that was stolen from Teetee’s grows! I was really high when i turned these the other day and ended up taking the fan leaf off. Thankfully it was a nice clean break and she didn’t really react to it, growth wise. Just seemed to carry on, but i hear this causes minor stress to the plant so nothing to worry about i don’t think. In fact i think maybe she looks bit thicker underneath with greenery compared to the others. She is 12cm tall and around 30cm wide from the other fan leaves tip to tip.

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And finally, my favourite, our little mutant bitch :lol: :lol: :lol: She is growing at a faster rate than before and it seems like although she was slow off the blocks, she could give some smaller flowers. She is about 9cm tall and 18cm wide.

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All in all, some decent progress. Skyline 600 is still at 24” from the canopy. The amounts of water given to each girl have been recorded and they are having around 900ml/1.4l each respective to their size about every 36 hours. At around pH 6-6.5. I moved the CO2 bag over to the side, getting ready for the 400 to go in alongside the 600, can’t wait to see what these girls do under both of them in such a small space.

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Giving thoughts to the next grow i think i will do DP Auto Lemon Zkittles. As it gets warmer towards the summer, i think the sativa leaning genetics of that will be more forgiving to slightly higher temperatures. Currently it has been stable at 22.7/24.7 with a RH of around 55-63%. The humidifier has been a good buy and i am glad it has controlled the erratic RH to a stable point. There is a nice subtle skunky smell coming from the ladies when the tent is first opened.

LST will be starting soon with some leaf removal when they stretch out a bit.


teetee wrote:Cheers Bro, in this neck of the woods, there are 'dispensaries' where you can go, get diagnosed and get the specific oil for your condition.... some even do it for free???
I personally know many people who benefit from their oils, so it's about time they fucking legalise it!
But they wont. :x

With your Multizyme, I can only assume Rearing cycle means when you're making a product I've never heard the term used in relation to plants, but I reckon it means 'Bloom' and I can only come up with this logic......
When animals rear, they're making babies, so maybe with Cannabis, we're making fruits (aka buds)?
The only way I can support that, is by looking on their website, and they say use throughout the grow, that's what I do.... and I usually start around week 2-3, depending on how big they're getting....
I want the roots to be reasonably well established before I use it and I use it right to the end..... It's meant to mop up dead root matter and convert it to uptakable nutrient, so it makes sense to start it when the roots are established, and up to the end, because the roots are working at their hardest by then.

Here's a link to the H&G info page on Multizyme.....
http://house-garden.com.au/product/stim ... multizyme/

Gotta run, big night of football starts now...

11.30pm Arse vs Spurs
2am Man City vs Bournemouth and all the other games, and finally
4.30am The Hammers will hopefully do the Geordies.

BTW that Anderson Paak was good stuff, I only heard him on that Mac Miller track, but this is much more like it. He's done a couple of the festivals over here over the Summer, wish I'd gone now!



Dont even get me started on them legalising it bro. Everyone knows it works, its getting to a point where they won’t be able to ignore it because people who have never used it recreationally are saying it has worked for them… or atleast i hope so.

Thanks for the tips and the link bro. I thought your logic would trump mine on this stuff so better to ask. I think week 3 is cool to start giving it to them and i will stop when the feed swaps over to just plain water for the flush. Won’t be long until the feeding does start, I’m looking forward to that.

Nice nice, hope you enjoyed the football. Liverpool needed that win in the derby against Everton today… not going to be so easy now! Aubamayengs penalty for the arse made me laugh hahaha. whoops.

Anderson Park is decent, but i only really like when his stuff is like this. I have heard him on tracks that he feat. on and they aint all that. I went to watch Eric Clapton & Carlos Santana play a festival together at hyde park last summer which was brilliant. Can’t beat some of the old ones IMHO.

Listening to this right now whilst having a smoke writing this. Therapy for the soul after a long day.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC8CH0Z3L54

Anyway, catch up with you all soon,

peace.

Re: Hoping to learn from experienced growers

PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:02 pm
by ledbud
Newgrow420 they looking good and lush brother.
Keep up the good work.
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Re: Hoping to learn from experienced growers

PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:15 am
by teetee
They are a good size for their age, so all is good man!
Don't worry about the fan leaf.... the first of many to remove.... those Girls are gonna get big!

The Mutant will evolve... watch out, cos they can often surprise you... in a good way!
You'll be doing all sorts of things to get her going, and that will be an education for you.

Ha ha, yeah that Arse penalty was a shocker! Noble did it better for the Hammers.

Re: Hoping to learn from experienced growers

PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:52 pm
by ledbud
I remove loads fan leafs mate.
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