LED Growers Forum

ledbud wrote:Man, that looks yummy. be patient let them do their thing.

Thanks bro, it's so delicious but makes me feel like my face is melting for about 40 seconds

damn you hot dabs.

Your tip gave me assurance to just go with the flow, thanks ledbud.

All looking good in your tent bro. Keep up the good work.

If anyone can give me any advice on what nutrients they think could give me some great results, teetee, ledbud,

and anyone else for that matter, please feel free to share.

I have been looking at the Canna range and also Advanced Nutrients. However I am a bit weary as they are auto flowers and I

don't want to stress out the plants, plus i know you guys are pros and im out of my depth

I was thinking maybe

Canna Vega: ( When to start / how long for? ) (Because they're autos)
Canna Flores: ( When to start / how long for? ) (Because they're autos)
Canna Pk 13/14: ( When to start / how long for? )
Rhizotonic or similar root booster: ( When to start / how long for? )
Big Bud: ( When to start / how long for? )
Molasses: The only thing i know how, when and how long to use for.

My ultimate concern is overdoing it and also the timing with them being autoflowers and the veg cycle being short.

I have used the regular Plagron Batmix with co co, so thats the thought behind letting them get what they need from the soil

for the first three weeks and then amending it with the above nutrients to keep the foot on the gas for the growth.

I'm not saying I want to use all of the ones that i have listed but moreover just find a good solid base to start from.

Lastly, do i need to be conscious of these nutrients increasing the EC level to an unmanageable point? How do you control EC,

same as pH?

Thanks everyone in advance.

I use canna terra vega in veg till they start flowering then i mix vega and flora till vertical growth stop.
then i use flora and big bud Advanced Nutrients.
3 week from harvest i start overdrive Advanced Nutrients and canna flora for 2 weeks then just water for 1 week.
hope this helps but teetee will be better at telling you what EC he uses and nuts. i just guesstimate mate.

ledbud wrote:I use canna terra vega in veg till they start flowering then i mix vega and flora till vertical growth stop.
then i use flora and big bud Advanced Nutrients.
3 week from harvest i start overdrive Advanced Nutrients and canna flora for 2 weeks then just water for 1 week.
hope this helps but teetee will be better at telling you what EC he uses and nuts. i just guesstimate mate.

Thanks a lot for that mate, i appreciate it.

Your suggestion seems like a solid place to start, and of course i will be interested in what teetee has to say aswell.

I was looking at Sensi A&B pH perfect series from Advanced Nutrients but I don't really think there's that much difference in what they actually are.

The Skyline 600 mk2 came today, so they will be going under that at end of week one

peace for now.

Decided on a feeding schedule today!

Every day is a learning curve.

It's gonna be tricky with EC's if you have a bit of soil mixed in, but with Auto's just keep it low and all will be good.

It's easier to fix an underfed plant than an over fed, stressed out old girl.

You''ll soon see burned tips or pale leaves and that will be your best indicator of how much feed you give, rather than sticking to a table of 'recommended' EC levels.

Make your own spreadsheet and record everything, so you can tweak things for future grows and have your own, personalised feeding schedule.

Where you are gonna find EC measurement useful, is with your run off. Checking the run off EC will help you diagnose any problems you may encounter down the line.

As you're using the same nutes and boosters as Ledbud, you will be in great hands.

It sounds like you're using the right kind of boosters and stimulators.

ledbud wrote:I use canna terra vega in veg till they start flowering then i mix vega and flora till vertical growth stop.
then i use flora and big bud Advanced Nutrients.
3 week from harvest i start overdrive Advanced Nutrients and canna flora for 2 weeks then just water for 1 week.

I would go with all of that.... blending vega and flora in early bloom will keep the Nitrogen going in as they build the structure for the fat buds you're gonna get!
I also agree with the Overdrive usage in the final 3 weeks (I use H&G Top Shooter - does the same job), BUT the week before you do that (ie around day 50 - week 8) give the PK 13/14 for 3-4 days.

I give the PK13/14 at the recommended H&G amount of 1ml/L, (but witth your Canna version you'll have to check)
but you MUST reduce the base nutrient amount to keep the final EC of the feed at the same level - or just slightly lower than normal.... another reason to record your EC's.... so you can make sure you don't burn them.
A lot of growers on the big sites dont recommend PK but that's because they always forget to keep the EC of the feed in check.

Rhizotonic - well, I use H&G Roots Excellurator (at their recommended full strength of 0.3ml/L) and they advise using it throughout the grow, EXCEPT when using PK 13/14.
I am not sure about Rhizotonic, it might be only for veg and not in bloom at all, so you'll have to check their recommendations..... it will be the same for Autos and Photos, whatever they say.

Have you thought about an Enzyme? - useful for keeping the rootzone healthy, cleaning up dead roots etc and converting them to uptakeable nutrient etc. I use H&G Multizyme throughout the grow from about day 14 at full strength (1ml/L).

All the best mate, sounds like you have a plan!

Thought i would check in and give an update, hope all is good.

The Skyline 600 mk2 has arrived safe and sound and is working its magic!



Came packaged really secure and tight with a lot of foam in the box for protection. It’s a lot heavier than the

400 but personally really love the design of these, so solid yet slim ideal for my small space.



The heatsinks do it for me like I’ve said before they work really well.



… Quick word of advice, i got a bit excited and switched it on whilst looking directly at it… Wont be doing that again.



My vision was screwed for about 10 minutes.




So here we are, the 5 ladies at day 8/9.



The first three that sprouted, are at the back, they are on day 9. Lets call these 1/2/3








The one on the front right is the one that was last to drop its husk, this is on day 8. Lets call this 4



The growth isn’t as aggressive as the others but i think it’s still acceptable at this stage.


And for number 5… well… *ahem*… you can see she has unfortunately the slowest growth of the lot. She

started strong but her leaves seem distorted and the new growth coming through is also very wispy. I have

hope for her yet though so we will see what happens. Worst comes to worst I will just use the space for 4 ladies

this time.





On day three for all of them, still under the 400, i stopped spraying and started watering lightly with about 200ml

of tap water each without adding anything to it. The pots had started drying out rapidly, the temps being stable

between 22.5 and 24 degrees / RH 55 - 65 %. Im topping up the humidifier daily with regular tap water.

As they have grown i have gradually increased the amount of water and they are now happy with 350/400ml

each every 24/36 hours depending on size. Number 5 is still drinking 250ml, less often than the rest as the

soil is staying wetter for longer.


I changed a couple things inside the tent on day 7 as the 600w went in for the 400w. I put this at 18" from the top of the

canopy where it will stay for a little while.

I decided to move the humidifier to the other side of the tent for better use of space and elevated it from ground

level as this is the most efficient place for it to work. It will stay here until the canopy exceeds it.





I’ve also added another clip fan on the same side, that is constantly on a low setting giving a really light breeze across the

canopy to promote some hardy stem development and provide a fresh flow of air.




Adding the 600w only increased canopy temp by about 0.8 degrees, which is nominal so i didn’t have to mess

with fan speeds etc which was nice. To be fair it has been pretty smooth sailing upto now.








To summarise the key things i have learnt:

- be mindful of plant size when feeding, each is different.

- don’t look directly at a skyline led, that shit hurts

- allow water to rest at room temp before watering so roots aren't shocked

teetee wrote:It's gonna be tricky with EC's if you have a bit of soil mixed in, but with Auto's just keep it low and all will be good.

It's easier to fix an underfed plant than an over fed, stressed out old girl.

You''ll soon see burned tips or pale leaves and that will be your best indicator of how much feed you give, rather than sticking to a table of 'recommended' EC levels.

Make your own spreadsheet and record everything, so you can tweak things for future grows and have your own, personalised feeding schedule.

Where you are gonna find EC measurement useful, is with your run off. Checking the run off EC will help you diagnose any problems you may encounter down the line.

As you're using the same nutes and boosters as Ledbud, you will be in great hands.

It sounds like you're using the right kind of boosters and stimulators.

ledbud wrote:I use canna terra vega in veg till they start flowering then i mix vega and flora till vertical growth stop.
then i use flora and big bud Advanced Nutrients.
3 week from harvest i start overdrive Advanced Nutrients and canna flora for 2 weeks then just water for 1 week.

I would go with all of that.... blending vega and flora in early bloom will keep the Nitrogen going in as they build the structure for the fat buds you're gonna get!
I also agree with the Overdrive usage in the final 3 weeks (I use H&G Top Shooter - does the same job), BUT the week before you do that (ie around day 50 - week 8) give the PK 13/14 for 3-4 days.

I give the PK13/14 at the recommended H&G amount of 1ml/L, (but witth your Canna version you'll have to check)
but you MUST reduce the base nutrient amount to keep the final EC of the feed at the same level - or just slightly lower than normal.... another reason to record your EC's.... so you can make sure you don't burn them.
A lot of growers on the big sites dont recommend PK but that's because they always forget to keep the EC of the feed in check.

Rhizotonic - well, I use H&G Roots Excellurator (at their recommended full strength of 0.3ml/L) and they advise using it throughout the grow, EXCEPT when using PK 13/14.
I am not sure about Rhizotonic, it might be only for veg and not in bloom at all, so you'll have to check their recommendations..... it will be the same for Autos and Photos, whatever they say.

Have you thought about an Enzyme? - useful for keeping the rootzone healthy, cleaning up dead roots etc and converting them to uptakeable nutrient etc. I use H&G Multizyme throughout the grow from about day 14 at full strength (1ml/L).

All the best mate, sounds like you have a plan!

Thanks mate, your advice is priceless. Thank you for helping me with timings along with ledbud as timings was what

was confusing me with them being autos.

I am not feeding until week 3 so I am going to leave checking run off EC until that has started. I’m just going to wing it

until then and just pay attention to the plants and how they look. I figure the nutrients in the bat mix are more than

sufficient in this stage… My main concern was burning them as seedlings with such a rich soil.

I will take your advice and just tailor the feeding to suit looking out where i can and tweaking it as needed, i will

start with low amount of nutes and gradually increase, and control it that way so i don’t go over what they need.

I will get a spreadsheet sorted soon to thats a great idea mate, I’m just jotting it down at the moment.

As for roots, i was looking at voodoo juice by advanced nutrients, but i will definitely check out Roots excellurator by H&G to.

I will also check out the enzyme you suggested to.

Just want to say thanks again to TeeTee and ledbud your knowledge is awesome and invaluable.

Ive got a bit of time before feeding begins so i will have a look at the feed schedule again, tweak/add where necessary and keep

you guys posted.

But for now, take it easy people!!

Hey everybody!

Thought i would share a few pix after 11 days of the stem and structure of these ladies. I have put them in order of largest to

runty mutant... who is still progressing... abit.

Upped the amount of water given to each plant and recorded the data...

in my new spreadsheet... Thanks Teetee Water had sat out overnight and then corrected pH with pH down to 6.1

I can see an increase in growth by the day, they love the new 600, i can't wait to see them under both lights in all their glory.

Anyway smashed right now, so ill leave these here and say peace.

They are very nice for day 11 mate, keep up the good work and just ask if you need help.